A A A
Avatar

Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Maybe more than a possiblity...
June 27, 2010
10:22 pm
Avatar
Muskgrove
Guest
Guests

[u]It has been 15 years and regardless of any consequences, I am posting. Keeping quiet about all the possible suspects and circumstances has not solved this case. So, for what it is worth:::[/u]

I would like to take this opportunity to tell you one of the scenarios that describe what happened to Jodi. I came to this possible sequence of events from years of research, searching, and interviewing one witnesse in particular. This is just a possibility, but one I feel is very possibly what happened.

First I would like to say I believe the death of Bill Pruin was connected. From the interview written about his girl friend, I think he got too cocky with his comments to her when pointing out drug dealers and they got tired of him mouthing off. Then when he decided to talk to Jodi about it they got to him first and killed him. Jodi thought there was something fishy about his death and she was right.

The night before her disappearance she went to the country club for the golf event. Unfortunately for her Angela Johnson was there working in the dining room and possible selling drugs to important or not so important people in attendance. Jodi had her eyes and ears open and caught some part of a deal or conversations to that affect. She was confronted by possible someone who told her she should keep whatever she thinks she knows to herself.

Possible she talked to John about it at him home and he told her not to say anything, he could have even warned her about how dangerous Angela Johnson and Dustin Honkens were. He knew that anyone testifying against Honkens ended up missing. (maybe dead as we now know was the case) John may have had dealing with them at some point in all of this, which Jodi may or may not have known about. Jodi went home and went to bed.

Angela called and told Dustin about what had happened with Jodi at the country club and they realized something had to be done. (phone records from the Country Club should be checked) Who said it couldn’t have been Dustin and Angela that confronted Jodi in the parking lot afraid she would go to work and tell about the drug deals at the country club and or what important people were buying drugs. Or possible John went with Dustin to try to talk some sense into Jodi to keep her mouth shut. John could have thought that was the reason for the confrontation.

It has been discussed why whoever it was waited so long outside of the apartment for Jodi to come out. They really had no choice. They were afraid she would go to work and tell others about what she had heard or seen and they couldn’t take a chance of that happening. They didn’t want to break into her apartment and take the chance of leaving clues or others hearing them. There was less chance in the parking lot and a better escape route. Regardless, they could not take the chance of her reporting what had happened… to anyone.

Jody may have tried to call a friend after getting home to tell her what she had overheard, but didn’t feel comfortable telling her friends husband.

NOW … The person who heard what happened in the parking lot was only interviewed once or twice and later the police told me ear witnesses weren’t important. I believe what she heard is important and definitely relevant.

She heard what sounded like a confrontation. She said it was almost like they were continuing an argument that had gone one earlier. It got quite loud. At first she thought the voices were coming from the park across the river, but then realized it was in the parking lot of the apartments.

She heard Jodi say something like, “Don’t do this ****!” A struggle and a scream as Jodi tried to hurry to put the key into the car door. Her arm was grabbed and thoughts of her martial arts training probably rushed through her head as she pulled away from him and then fell back against the car slamming her head on the mirror leaving blood and some of her hair.

The witness heard the sound of the thump and then silence. The screaming stopped.

At that point the person or people involved panic and quickly dragged her over to their vehicle and loaded her into it and drove off. The witness heard the noisy motor as it pulled out of the parking lot and drove away. They hear the sound of the engine for a very long time.

My thinking is that they took the road that went along the Winnebago River going east on Birch Drive. At Illinois Avenue they continued across on Birch Drive. The reason I think this route is a possible route is because she heard the sound of the engine for a long time and I believe the river parallel to Birch Drive would cause the sound to travel allowing her hear it for so long.

They could have even stopped half way between Kentucky Avenue and Illinois Avenue with the motor running to dispose of her body. Many psychics in the early years said they felt her close to her apartment near the river and bridges. In a dream I saw a place called “Murphy’ Park”, which after I traveled to Mason City I discovered is the name on a sign between Illinois Avenue and Kentucky Avenue on Birch Drive along the Winnebago River. Just because she hasn’t been found there doesn’t mean she couldn’t be there.

[There is also a spot on the River next to the high school where there is a drain that empties into the river where you can see the Route 18 Bridge. I am mentioning this because this spot is similar to something one psychic mentioned.] [Also another psychic believes she is buried above that near the top of that drain. She had never been to Mason City, but drew a picture of that same spot. I followed her map and found it. There is an access road on the west side of the river that is hidden that could have been used]

Also, going down Birch Drive further south would allow them to take a road to the West. If Dustin Honken and or Angela Johnson were involved, they could have disposed of Jodi’s body off of Lark Avenue near where they had previously buried 4 people. They could have had the hole dug or have know of one that might be in one of my pictures. [north across the creek] Or they could have gone on to the abandon farm site where they buried Terry DeGeus off of 220 and Killdeer Avenue.

[Robbie Thomas talked about a common number in the birth dates between Jodi and the abductor. Jodi and Dustin Honken were both born in 1968. Also the description of him matches Dustin. 5’11” about 175 to 185 pounds.] Both him and Angela Davis are on death row for the murder of 5 people. Who knows how many others.

June 28, 2010
1:32 am
Avatar
navyboi
Guest
Guests

The possibility of Honken being involved has always intrigued me. Great post (saved to desktop for later reference in case it gets moderated). Is it a fact that Angela Johnstonn worked at the country club? Thinking of the possibility gives me chills down my spine. Things here are definitely heating up.

June 28, 2010
1:53 am
Avatar
navyboi
Guest
Guests

She did work at the Country Club. I'm sorry but it's a HUGE coincidence if Johnson was working and Jodi disappeared the night after she was at the country club. I've been waiting for an article like this for years. Thanks.

June 28, 2010
2:41 am
Avatar
Muskgrove
Guest
Guests

It was the morning after... Only hours from the time she left the country club.

June 28, 2010
12:51 pm
Avatar
Greg-in-Florida
Guest
Guests

Muskgrove, I applaud your bravery in putting forth you ideas/theories about Jodi's disappearance. I just wanted to offer my support to you. I know it takes guts to offer up theories (and even to mention psychic visions) given recent discussions.

I was thinking about Jodi's disappearance this week (remembering the anniversary was coming up; my friend and I remembered her and her family in prayer at church yesterday) and I have a strong feeling whoever is responsible wasn't stalking Jodi, but wanted her out of the way. I keep thinking to myself, "This wasn't supposed to happen!" I don't know what that means, but that thought always stands out to me.

I say these things to say . . . if my intuition (from what I know of the case through reading, TV, and discussing it on here) is correct, it goes perfectly with your theory, especially if someone wanted to "talk some sense" into Jodi.

I just wonder what poor Jodi could have seen at the country club, if this indeed is the scenario. I didn't realize that one of the individuals you referenced was working at the country club the day before where Jodi attended the golf event.

Also.. another thought: Do you think the man banging on Jodi's apartment the night before her disappearance fits in to your theories somehow? I'd be interested to hear what you think.

One final thought: I really respect the law enforcement, and I know they have difficult jobs. I have no doubts they want to solve this case, but I do wish they'd release the name Jodi yelled that morning in the parking lot. I think this could heat the case up.

June 28, 2010
2:21 pm
Avatar
Muskgrove
Guest
Guests

I was thinking today that Jodi never really mentioned anything in her diary prior to her disappearance that might have suggested she knew what was going to happen or could happen. That means it all came on fast and within a few hours. She wanted to tell her friend what she heard or saw, but couldn't talk to her directly. She was tired and had to get up early so she didn't take the time to write it in her diary.

That individual was working that night at the banquet.

As far as the name she called out. It rhymes with so many other names that it could have been any one of them.

The guy at the door could have been a totally different issue.

June 29, 2010
7:01 am
Avatar
Ronald G
Guest
Guests

Interesting scenario.

However, both Dustin Honkens and Angela Davis have confessed to the murders they committed. Not to the police but to other inmates while they were incarcerated. Davis even drew a map indicating where the bodies were buried and gave it to a jailhouse informant.

Seems neither if them can keep their mouths shut. If they were involved in Jodi’s disappearance, I doubt they could resist the urge to “brag” about it.

And if Davis had information about Jodi, she could have used that information to plea bargain at her trial.

But as the Honkens case shows, until a body is recovered, it is next to impossible to bring murder charges. That’s what has made this case so difficult for the police.

June 29, 2010
9:36 am
Avatar
Muskgrove
Guest
Guests

SORRY..........NOT DAVIS................ JOHNSON!!!!

Arly Ray Davis I guess was on my mind. He was a serial killer who killed lots of women who have never been found. He killed another woman just a month after Jodi. He was a suspect in my mind.

Google or what ever Dustin Honken and Angela Johnson. Read the trial records, news paper stories and even Dustins journal.

They did NOT confess to their murders. The only reason Johnson drew the map was for someone to give the information to a prisioner who was on death row who would take the blame for it and so it would never come back on them.

At the time they were in for making and dealing drugs. They were NOT in for murder. Angela messed up when she did that.

Dustin Honken is a very intellegent man. He planned things out very well, but like all of us he will someday meet this maker. I hope soon he will realize that and give closure to the family by confessing and telling us where Jodi is. He can be a good man by stepping up to the plate. God is suppose to forgive anyone if they confess and ask for forgiveness... regardless what people may think of us.

June 29, 2010
11:25 am
Avatar
vinny
Guest
Guests

Muskgrove keep the thoughts coming. I knew about the encounter at the golf tournament. But several things bother me:

1 - She kept a diary, look at her 5 year plan.
But doesn't mention, "today I think I'm being stalked, and called the police".
"Today the police escorted me to my job".

I think there are two diaries.

2 - I agree Pruins death could be related.

3 - I wouldn't dismiss the guy pounding on her door as unrelated, he seemed
desperate, anxious to speak to her or worse.

June 29, 2010
7:29 pm
Avatar
sixtiesrock
Guest
Guests

Thanks for a well written scenario Muskgrove.

The only problem I have with the death of Bill Pruin is the crime scene doesn't appear to fit in with Honken's MO.

Still, I find the case made by Muskgrove with regard to the abduction of Jodi compelling.

June 29, 2010
8:39 pm
Avatar
Muskgrove
Guest
Guests

***
“The only problem I have with the death of Bill Pruin is the crime scene doesn't appear to fit in with Honkens' MO.”

Read the web references to Dustin Honken on the web. He tried to hire people to kill for him. He hates snitches. At one point in prison he even tried to have Angela Johnson killed.

In reading the articles about Bill Pruin it tells how he had a white carpet, either in his living or dining room. He made people take their shoes off. When he came home from picking up his new combine he must have realized someone was in the house. He didn't think about taking off his boots when he entered his home.
When they found him later I think they found him in the room on the floor with the carpet. I could be wrong, but from what I have read over the years someone tried to make it look like a suicide. No one pays that much for a new combine and then kills themselves before they get a chance to play with their new toy.

I also read in court transcripts how Dustin told someone about the trouble he had killing Terry DeGeus. He tried to put him up against a tree and shoot him, but Terry kept moving and trying to get away. If you look at the pictures on my flickr page you will see a picture of the tree with healed over dents in the tree where he missed.

[b] MO’s are not always perfectly executed.[/b]

I have always thought the interview Gary did with Pruins‘ girl friend sounded like Pruin was kind of reckless and daring pointing out to her who was dealing drugs when they were in public. Who know what else he might have blurted out in public that finally made him a liability to the drug dealers.

July 5, 2010
1:16 pm
Avatar
Muskgrove
Guest
Guests

In checking my files I finally found this information about the vehiel that left the Apartments with Jodi that morning:

"""I keep remembering two turns of the vehicle and I thought to the north, but I can't prove that. I always did think the van went north then turned and I heard it for awhile after which would make me think there were no barriers to block the sound which could have been the first street north and then the right."""

July 5, 2010
4:39 pm
Avatar
vinny
Guest
Guests

Where did you get that from. Did they mention that the car sounded like it had a muffler problem for the reason they heard the car drive off for quite a distance. Made several turns and other information about Jodi?

July 7, 2010
9:55 pm
Avatar
scott
Guest
Guests

Great post by everyone. It's been sometime since I've been on the site. lets keep ALL thoughts and ideas coming.

July 7, 2010
9:59 pm
Avatar
scott
Guest
Guests

There is also a spot on the River next to the high school where there is a drain that empties into the river where you can see the Route 18 Bridge. I am mentioning this because this spot is similar to something one psychic mentioned.] [Also another psychic believes she is buried above that near the top of that drain. She had never been to Mason City, but drew a picture of that same spot. I followed her map and found it. There is an access road on the west side of the river that is hidden that could have been used]

I'd like to see this map.

August 18, 2010
2:05 am
Avatar
navyboi
Guest
Guests

Tonight I've done a bit of thinking about the case. This just clicked that there might be a possible link to a crime I know happened. In the early 2000's there was a string of burglaries in North Iowa on acreages - south of the Mason City area possibly as far south as the Ames area. Whoever did it would wait and watch for the residents to leave (not sure of their tactic), kick in the door and steal anything of value. I don't know how many people were actually victimized, but I very well suspect there were dozens of break ins.

It's kind of scary thinking about it, you live in the middle of nowhere and you come home to your back door kicked in. I had family and they immediately called the sheriff before they entered.

Maybe the person(s) responsible for these crimes was hitting up Pruin's farm house while he was away, Pruin came home and had the burglar cornered.

But then again, would a burglar continue his spree for 5-6 years or more and not get caught or give it up? I wonder.

August 18, 2010
2:09 am
Avatar
navyboi
Guest
Guests

So let's theorize Pruin's death was not related and was related to that string of burglaries. There is still that possibility that Honken and Johnston got Jodi, but I think it lessens the odds by quite a bit. We would be back at square one looking at the seed corn guy. Around and around I go.......as was mentioned before right? :dry:

August 18, 2010
9:55 pm
Avatar
vinny
Guest
Guests

Navyboi, I think Jodie's death could have been a message to corn seed guy. Or as I had asked previously if it was corn seed guy, did they check out corn seed guys employees for palm prints or questioning.

Corn seed guy acted extremely agitated or scared the day and night after the abduction according to the one witness who after 15 years the police haven't gotten around to interviewing, (You know their pretty methodical and like to take their time with their investigations). According to the not interviewed witness the corn seed salesman became very agitated when the not interviewed witness tried to go into a particular truck of his on the night after the abduction to take the not interviewed witness home. This according to the not interviewed witness herself.

Sure wish they interviewed her, maybe within the next 15 years when things calm down they can get to that. Maybe.

August 18, 2010
9:59 pm
Avatar
vinny
Guest
Guests

As I'm reading my last post, It just occurred to me that corn seed guy could have been the guy pounding on Jodi's door. What do other people think?.

August 19, 2010
2:14 pm
Avatar
Janette
Guest
Guests

I love your posts Vinny....I think You might be on the right track !!

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 401

Currently Online:
14 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
2 Guest(s)

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 365

Members: 2049

Moderators: 4

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 1

Topics: 466

Posts: 2665