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9:23 pm
Case Follower
December 4, 2020
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QuoteAfter the recent episode of the Find Jodi podcast, Episode 9: Acquaintances -- John Vansice, I did some searching and was struck by this recurring father-watcher theme:
John Vansice's first words to LaDonna Woodford: “I’m Jodi’s dad. No I’m not really her dad but I feel like I’m her dad because I watch over her." LaDonna Woodford; first meeting with Jodi and John at OP (the Other Place bar). 1
Tammy Baker. “John was very solicitous of her. He kinda took care of her, watched out for her.” 2
John Vansice. "I just loved watching her have fun.... I tried to watch over her. I tried to check on her once in a while. Not all the time. Just once in a while. See how’s she’s getting along. If you ever go in her apartment and you see men’s clothes, they’re mine. If I had a shirt she liked, you know I’d wear it for a while and then I’d give it to her.” 3
Did Jodi ask for a father and a watcher or was this a self-appointed role? At what point does this behavior start to sound very much like stalking? Has the MCPD asked Vansice what checking on Jodi meant?
As for the bit about his shirts in her apartment and possibly on her -- that's not a fatherly thought. It sounds like pure fantasy, not reality. The boyfriend shirt was a thing back then. Maybe it still is.
Additionally, in the same interview in which Tammy Baker talked about how John watched over Jodi, she said he might have been "a little bit jealous" one time in Clear Lake and he might have had "a little bit of a temper." That sounds like the classic Midwestern penchant for understatement. But even a little bit of jealousy and temper, combined with drinking, which she said the temper part was, calls his fatherly disinterest into question.
None of this evidence. But it should be called what it is. Not friendship. Not fatherly. But something else.
Addendum 2/19/21
I am adding a fourth item to this post:
"“When he’d talk about Jodi it was like I’m protecting her. She’s like my daughter.” LaDonna Woodford. 4
Why did Jodi need protection? What was Vansice protecting her from? Why did he feel the need to offer this explanation?
1. The Frozen Truth Podcast, Season 3, Episode 12, Morning Walk, October 6, 2019
2. The Frozen Truth Podcast, Season 3, Episode 6, The Last Time I Saw Jody, January 27, 2019
3. 48 Hours, Find Jodi, December 15, 2018
4. 48 Hours, Find Jodi, December 15, 2018
2:30 am
Case Follower
April 8, 2021
OfflineHe said those things more than likely to legitimize his constant presence in her life.He was by far the oldest person in her circle of close friends, and never brought around any of his friends if he had any. Although he had business associates all over the place and probably knew some "higher-ups", which brings me to this. I think he may have been an "EAR" all along as he may have been in cohouts with the Drug people all along keeping his eyes and ears open for Pay.
8:37 pm
Case Follower
December 4, 2020
OfflineLsuRamsman, forgive my naivety, you say he knew some "higher-ups" and I wonder if you could elaborate on that. Higher-up in what capacity? Also you indicate he may have been involved in the illegal drug trade. If you can, please share what leads you to that conclusion.
I agree that his statements about being Jodi's dad or watcher were trying to legitimize his presence in her life. I think he protests too much, like someone in a Shakespeare play. He's trying to work the room or whatever circle he entertains in Mason City to show that his presence in Jodi's life is not what it looks like. "I'm her dad, or should be because I watch over her." His friend of the alibi works this with him, for whatever reasons of her own. She's all over the place defending his allegedly innocuous role. In fact they both protest too much. She claims to own the narrative of that morning in a way no one else can. When she is asked if the morning walk could have happened at a slightly different time she says, "Nope. Nope. Absolutely not...I'm telling my story and my story is the truth." Well, it's not her story alone. She doesn't own the narrative. We need someone who knows something else about that morning to come forward.
2:18 am
Case Follower
April 8, 2021
OfflineO.k. Let me begin with your last paragraph. I bought and read "dead silence" 3 weeks ago after having researched this case online for about a month. Apparently there was no walk with his Lady friend that morning. He called her up at 5 a.am. and cancelled without reason. So I don't know how that tricky U-turn back to a morning walk was accomplished. We may have to consult the author of the book and verify. As to your other inquiry I'll get back soon. It's getting late.
The way you describe it, that tricky U-turn back, is on the mark. How is it that two completely different accounts exist? It's not just a shift in detail such as time or place it's that in one version the walk doesn't happen, period. It's cancelled without explanation. In the other version, the walk happens with an abundance of details. This is key and has to be investigated because from what LDW has said clearly, in more than one interview, is that they were about to indict JVS. And apparently her alibi had a great deal to do with preventing that. Where did Bednar get her account? What version does the MCPD have on the record? Does this differ from the grand jury version, which is sealed? What about the witness on Up and Vanished, who said JVS met him at Casey's that morning and already knew that Jodi was missing? Why should his account be less important?
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