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the things corn seed dudes say
July 24, 2009
6:28 am
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I note that in a TV clip shown in episode #8 of the Huisentruit Files a corn seed dude says:

"we're all praying and hoping she's ok and we just have to keep praying and keep hoping and I think she'll come back, I really do.'

Now I don't know how long after the abduction this piece was filmed but I do know the seed man was aware that Jodi's possesions were scattered near her car including the bent key. He was aware Jodi never made it to work and there was an intensive search going on.
And as they say in the classics 'things are looking grim Jim.'

Maybe it's stress or maybe it's the camera but the words.........

[i]and I think she'll come back, I really do.[/i]............just jump out at me.

I suppose a certain dude has noted that fourteen years later she hasn't come back yet.

And just where was she supposed to be coming back from?

February 27, 2011
1:30 pm
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I agree, Sixtiesrock. That jumped out at me, too, after viewing that clip. "I'm sure she'll come back?" Just another odd response from this guy. He also doesn't seem too upset, considering this was a platonic relationship that he considered much more. He even named his boat after her. Then he decides to leave town and refuses all comment to the media (consciousness of guilt?). As a close friend who had a serious crush on Jodi, he has done nil to help find her, not even the basic expectation of commenting for the media, which at the very least raises public awareness of the case, something families of cold case victims are always trying to do to help solve their loved ones' disappearance.

March 1, 2011
3:45 am
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Then again, denial is a powerful thing. And it takes serious capacity for denial to be a middle-aged man and think any 20-something woman is seriously into you. You don't show emotions that could only be based on facts you don't acknowledge.

Another thing. Of course he moved to Arizona. Lots of older Iowans do. And if you had this much exposure -- cops digging up your basement, people speculating, a situation where everybody who doesn't think you did it still thinks you're a lecherous old fool -- that can make living in a small city pretty uncomfortable.

If it was Johnny Cornseed, I think he would have cracked by now. Time spent sifting through his weirdness is time spent letting the real attacker get away. I would practically bet money on it.

March 1, 2011
12:28 pm
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I remember seeing a clip of Jodi's sister saying cornseed guy was very rude to her when she asked him a couple of questions. What's up with that? You'd think he'd want to be more comforting to a grieving sister.

Jodi was not "seriously into" him. To her, they were just friends. He wanted the relationship to be much more than just platonic.

March 1, 2011
2:25 pm
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Was he even officially divorced at that point? Was his "ex" (is she still the ex)...does she live in AZ now, too? or kids ever looked at closely for opportunity - motive wouldn't be hard to imagine. Could explain why he won't talk about it...family involved.

March 2, 2011
3:41 am
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I believe the 'corn seed dude' remains a person of interest to the MCPD.

When was the last time he was interviewed by anyone from LE?

March 7, 2011
9:26 pm
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A person of interest could be anyone who knew things about the victim around the time the crime was committed, and who could potentially be a witness at a trial.

Sometimes it means more than that, but it really has no technical definition anymore. It used to be leaked to put pressure on uncooperative witnesses or to make the police look like they were on track to make an arrest. A few lawsuits where innocent (or perhaps "not guilty") men were raked over the coals has changed this a bit. We all remember Richard Jewell, whose life was ruined by accusations that turned out to be 100% false. The real Olympic bomber has been convicted. It was quietly acknowledged that rather than being a sicko basket case who plotted the bombing to get attention and "play the hero," he was exactly what he said he was, a guy who did his job and tried to keep people safe. But he never recovered from the exposure.

I don't know when the last time MCPD talked to Cornseed was.

And yes, Simon, if you re-read what I said, we actually agree on the status of Jodi's feelings toward Cornseed. My point was that given this, and given the fact that he was in denial about the reality of that relationship, it's circular reasoning to say that his denial of reality in reaction to the crime implicates him in anything.

The baseline for this guy is to wish for something unlikely to happen. For him to say he hopes she'll come back is entirely consistent with his unrealistic feelings. It says nothing about how an innocent or guilty person would have reacted. Just how a guy at a particular stage of the midlife crisis would react. Vaguely magical thinking underlies the whole process of acting out in the midlife crisis, because it amounts to this: If I spend time with younger people, I don't have to age; if I act like a younger person, I don't have to age; etc. We'll all go through that phase and for some people it leads to pretty embarrassing behavior. (Ahem...). Real sexual obsession is something completely different from naming your boat after a woman and throwing a party for her. Nothing about this crime suggests a crime of passion. It's too well-organized and there's really no clear evidence of a triggering event.

For another thing, after a kidnapping, some police departments have thought it helpful to coach the victim's friends and family about media appearances -- not to misinform the public, but because some kidnappers like to follow the media coverage, and because of this that it might be possible to put pressure on the kidnapper. I actually don't agree with this practice -- since it may just reward the kidnapper's wish to inflict pain -- but because of it you really have to take anything that's said on camera in the immediate aftermath with a grain of salt.

September 27, 2011
6:44 pm
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Great posts on this thread. Replying to Simon's last post, with the advantage of having read Dead Air, I think there was a triggering event -- Jodi's purchase of the Miata. I think someone besides Cornseed helped her buy the new car. I think Jodi had a new man in her life, someone of means, possibly married. I think Cornseed realized this when he saw the Miata. Cornseed may have pressured Jodi to tell him how she got the car. Maybe she wouldn't tell him and he realized their "friendship" was on the wane, that she was more interested in a new man with deeper pockets. I think Jodi stood up Cornseed the night before she disappeared and he was furious about that. Cornseed was a known drinker and I think he spent the night sitting outside her apartment, drinking, waiting for her to come out, getting more and more enraged.

September 29, 2011
2:24 am
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Let's suppose that a married man *did* help Jodi buy the car. (Do we actually know that she didn't take out a standard car loan like most people do? I've never seen - though I may have missed - financial information on Jodi).

So this married man buys a car for a younger and probably better-looking woman than his wife. Who has the motive to kill the younger, more attractive woman?

September 29, 2011
7:09 am
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[i][b]According to Dead Air, Jodi did not take out a standard car loan. Her sister strongly suspected that their mother lent Jodi the money to buy the car, and the car was purchased from a private owner. [/b][/i]

September 29, 2011
1:51 pm
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I wonder if Jodi's mom had to means to help her a lot. She had, after all, been a widow for many years. I looked up the original sticker price of a 1995 Mazda Miata convertible. The price range was between $20,000 and $24,000. Back in 1995 that was a lot of money for a car. Just wondering...

September 29, 2011
9:47 pm
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Ann I believe the car was used not new.

October 4, 2011
1:42 pm
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Wasn't the car a 1995? I understand that she bought the car in a private sale from one of the owners of Fox River Mills in Osage (according to Dead Air). But, even if the original owner took a depreciation hit, the car would have still been pretty pricey.

December 31, 2011
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The car was a 1995. It was given to her by John Lessard (owner of Fox River) who was not married at the time. The car was still in HIS name when Jodi died. It was common knowledge at Fox River and in Osage that he had dated Jodi a few times- they were seen out together in public.And that he gave that car to her as a gift. I don't know why they left this out in book. Everyone knew this! He also dated other petite blonds during this time also. He was tall, good looking, rich, (better looking and younger than Vancise but still quite a bit older than Jodi) I was very surprised that he was never mentioned in the book nor on here or anywhere. I don't think he had anything to with her disappearance- but you never know. but he could have been part of it, in that maybe Vancise was jealous of him? Lessard also golfed. Was he at the same outing as her that day? I wish they would give a list of names of the people that were there. Maybe Vancise found out Lessard gave her that car? There was also a National Heart Association Fundraiser at Cedar Valley Supper Club in Osage In 95 that she was at with Lessard.

December 31, 2011
5:37 am
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Gary, Josh and Beth; did you ever talk with John Lessard? He could give interesting insight into Jodi. For instance, why would John give Jodi a car? Obviously he must have liked her, but what were the reasons behind it? He could have bought her jewelry, or taken her on a trip. Did Jodi request a car?
If John Vansice was obsessive about Jodi, this could really have caused jealousy. What were the differences in John L and John V personalities?

December 31, 2011
3:47 pm
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I worked at Fox River in the 90's and during this time. Lessard was better looking than Vancise ( will call them JV and JL) He was also much richer, and younger than jv but still quite a bit older than Jodi. On the other hand, JL is not a fun person- very serious. I doubt Jodi would have had fun being around him like she did jv. I would not consider JL a nice person. He has nothing really to do with his daughters or his grand kids who are both autistic. It was common knowledge that he had dated her once or twice that people knew of. He is a very private person-extremely. And even the other woman he dated at that time was not public except to those who knew her or saw his car at her house. Before Jodi disappeared it was rumored he gave her the car and they dated. If he DID sell it to her for actual cash, how did she know it was for sale? He did not have it for sale in any papers at that time, etc. And wouldn't there be registration and tag records for her taking it to courthouse to get switched to her name? Because she didn't, I am sure. It was still in his name, because I believe as do many in Osage, he was letting her use it or gave it to her. I think this would have made JV very jealous once he found out. Could it be JL was with her that night but being a private person he did not want to be involved and have that kind of scandal related to his name? Maybe he left right before Jodi did ( thus, the shiny new car that almost ran over the jogger) and when JV saw him leave jodis, this made him more mad. JV would have been driving the van - why a van was spotted by others. and the other car? just someone else leaving before JL left and a coincidence. I think JL has more to do with it- not that he did it but he could have been the man in her apt. and what set JV off. I also wonder if JL would have been at the golf thing since he too, was involved in charity stuff and golfed. Me and others in osage just always thought it strange he was never mentioned more. Maybe police knew he was not a suspect so didn't put his name out there? I don't know but always has bugged me especially now that book has come out and he was not mentioned at all and they acted like how she paid for the car was such a mystery when it should have been obvious or pretty easy to check out. Also still wondering what type of business ban JV used? anyone know?
And Jodis mom was or is still alive- couldn't she have said weather or not she gave Jodi large sum for car?

FYI- im sure means nothing and I can't imagine JL actually being the bad guy in this but he does own private wooded land on cedar river inwhich he has since built new house on the land.

December 31, 2011
5:06 pm
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Very interesting posts by Tak24. Very, very important. The Miata could have been a trigger for Jodi's abduction.

Thank you for the "insider" information. I hope you post again.

By the way, just a friendly note that the administrators have asked us not to use real names. Not trying to be the boss or anything!

December 31, 2011
5:57 pm
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Yes, I noticed that after first post but wasn't sure how to ask about him without using his name. From now on I will initials or something else. I caught on to the corn seed dude. Maybe call the other car salesman? Also interesting that they both had same first names and everyone kinda assumed that when she yelled Ron or Don or John or whatever, everyone assumed corn seed dude.

I was also curious about her journal. In the book, it says the paper printed "certain" entries. Does this mean there are pages that were not printed? If so, have police said if there was any useful information in the entries not shared in newspaper? I personally, don't buy the drug connection. I think it was not planned- that corn seed dude was jealous. He was strong, drank and known to have a temper. I think he had been drinking, spying on her, and got jealous and mad- simple as that. He was mad and jealous he wasn't the only "sugar daddy" so to speak. I think she had just started driving that car too, so maybe he found out a guy was involved with her using it. I'm just real curious about vehicles driven by the two men at this time and color of work van corn seed used. The jogger seems VERY credible with her story so that car has got to be very important. I'm going to ask around and see if anyone remembers the car the salesman drove at that time. He drives a nice dark and shiny one now.....

December 31, 2011
6:04 pm
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BTW, do you know anything about corn seeds boat, like where he kept it? Did he keep it in Clear Lake or at his house? And did he own any other property in the area? Was boat searched? If so, when? I think if someone was going to get rid of a body they would go some place familiar. They wouldn't go somwhere they had never been because they wouldn't know area or feel "comfortable". He was comfortable on the water. He could have even "stored" her until next time he went boating. I def think a man was with her that night and whoever was watching her saw him leave before her and this set him off in rage. She had probably told him nothing was going on between them and when he saw the guy come out, he realized she had lied to him.......

December 31, 2011
6:08 pm
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IMHO you have the scenario laid out exactly right. I'm also looking into the car(s) situation.

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