A A A
Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register sp_MemberList Members

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
The TOILET SEAT
February 6, 2014
2:03 pm
Avatar

Case Follower
Members
Forum Posts: 3
Member Since:
February 6, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I am surprised in every documentary and even readings that more is not made of the toilet seat being left up. To me, this seems like a MAJOR clue. 

The possibly scenarios to why a toilet seat might have been up...well, 95% of them seem very unlikely to me:

(Pregnancy, cleaning a toilet, etc)

In my mind the ONLY thing that makes sense is that a male was in her apartment...and most likely that morning. (since fairly safe to assume Jodi would have used the bathroom that morning herself) that would put a male in her apartment before she left for work or a male entered her apartment immediately after her abduction-- which would be rather unlikely too I would think. 

 

So in my mind me have a male in her apartment that morning. I don't see how there is a likely way to get around that. 

 

I've never seen much speculation about this scenario. The thing that doesn't jive with this in my mind is from what I"ve read, the bed was 'unmade' only on one side...so....that would lead me to think he hadn't slept in the bed with Jodi. 

 

What if Jodi was so tired because this person showed up at her apartment and early before work...maybe an argument...Jodi got so distracted that she lost track of time....or else he wouldn't let her go? When she does leave he follows her and in angry rage hurts her? 

Of course, who knows..but I think that toilet seat is a huge hinging factor in all of this and I'm surprised there is not more intense discussion over it.  

February 9, 2014
4:03 pm
Avatar

Case Contributor
Members
Forum Posts: 26
Member Since:
March 31, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I have never given the toilet seat being left up much thought because I realize that after a night of drinking vomitting can sure speed up the hang-over process. My thoughts anyway.

May 16, 2014
4:17 pm
Avatar

Case Contributor
Members
Forum Posts: 11
Member Since:
January 30, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

turrethouse, I also think the toilet seat is a clue. As I stated in another thread a while ago, go to every single woman's house you know and check their bathroom, if you find even one toilet seat up I'd be surprised.

As for the seat being up because she might've been sick from drinking, the people who talked to her on the phone the night before didn't say anything about her being drunk or ill. And she didn't say anything to Kuns that morning about being sick--from alcohol or otherwise. Hey, what's a better excuse to give your boss than "I'm so sorry. I'm gonna be late. I'm sick." But Jodi didn't say that. 

The toilet seat clue, I believe, is congruent with the name Jodi yelled in the parking lot . . . allegedly. As I've stated before, how does Jodi know what name to yell if it's dark? The attacker could've been anybody. According to police, the assailant attacked Jodi from behind so how could she see his face? The only way she'd know what name to yell in a dark parking lot while being attacked from behind is if it was somebody who had been with her in her apartment just moments before. Moreover, let's say somebody she knew was waiting for her in the parking lot. The man sees her walk to her car. He rushes up behind her and assaults her. The last thing Jodi is going to do upon seeing the man's face while she is lying on the ground is yell his name. She'd more likely to yell, "WTF!!!!"

Whereas, if it's a guy she knows walking with Jodi to her car, initially she may not understand he's not messing around when he attacks her from behind and she may say something like, "Stop it, ----!"

Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's something. To me, the toilet seat and the yell go together. 

May 18, 2014
10:10 pm
Avatar

Case Contributor
Members
Forum Posts: 44
Member Since:
March 22, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I think the toilet seat is a vital clue. Possibly Jodi had a guest in her apartment the night before she was abducted, not the documented "person of interest" in the case, but rather a new love interest. I think someone was extremely jealous and was watching when the new man came out of Jodi's apartment.

There are lights in the parking lot, one very near where Jodi parked her car, as well as a couple mounted on Jodi's building. It definitely wouldn't have been bright, but it was probably light enough for Jodi to make out someone she knew very well. Imho, the name she shouted in the parking lot is very significant, signaling she knew her attacker.

The 19th anniversary of Jodi's disappearance is coming up. Someone out there knows something. After all this time, they should step forward and do the right thing.

June 2, 2018
4:17 pm
Avatar

Case Contributor
Members
Forum Posts: 24
Member Since:
August 31, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I believe it’s very likely the abductor parked his vehicle before leaving the scene, and that’s what Mr Linderman saw.  If the abductor was in the parking lot a long time, he may have had to pee.  I suspect the person went up to Jodi’s apartment and removed something incriminating.  Possibly deleted messages on the answering machine or removed the last page from her journal.  I believe there is a science where you can read what was written by analyzing indentations on the page that was underneath.  Also you may be able to recreate messages that were deleted from the answering machine(if the police still have her machine).  Can we check that?

December 22, 2018
7:49 pm
Avatar
Lee
Guest
Guests

I'm re-reading Dead Air by Beth Bednar and there's a quote (page 31) by Amy Kuns saying she sent an employee named Dave to Jodi's apartment to check on her when she didn't show up for work. Does anyone know if he entered the apartment? If so, is it possible he used the bathroom or noticed if the toilet seat was up before the police arrived?

January 5, 2019
5:49 am
Avatar

Case Contributor
Members
Forum Posts: 18
Member Since:
May 12, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I used to think the toilet seat was a big clue also...Until I learned her apt was not treated as a crime scene, hence no evidence was collected nor was anything preserved. It's very possible an officer or detective used the bathroom. There's really no way of knowing. 

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 349

Currently Online:
6 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

Tomahawk: 44

Summer: 26

Thunderkloud: 24

lwt: 24

Oldnews: 22

Retro: 20

RachelB: 18

mrs_jack_mccoy: 17

Muskgrove: 15

janettevv: 15

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 322

Members: 233

Moderators: 5

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 1

Topics: 418

Posts: 2584

Administrators: Josh Benson: 88