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a white van, a black pickup truck , a speeding car
April 24, 2009
5:47 am
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We had a black pickup truck that frightened Jodi badly. So badly she feared for her safety.
This black pickup truck was seen a few times in the two weeks before the abduction.

Then we had the white van at the scene of the crime.

Finally there is the dark colored car that was seen by the lady jogger leaving the crime scene car park at high speed with the driving lights off.
The lights were put on once the car was steadied on the road.
This was about the time of the abduction too.

The way I see it LE put a lot of effort into finding the white van. They failed to locate it.

I wonder if any resources were put into finding the black pickup truck? Were black pickup trucks very common in 1995?

What about the car leaving at high speed, was it looked for?

And the jogger [b]never[/b] mentioned seeing a white van on the road either.
The crime scene vehicle activity is very baffling.

For me the black pickup truck has a big red flag on it.

April 25, 2009
10:50 am
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Exactly sixtyrock, does anyone know if any of Jodie's associates or friends had Black Trucks or White Vans or cars similar. In the video the police stated they checked out white vans either side of a specific year in IA,& MN. What about WI, IL, MO, NE, or SD. They have had 14 years to do this. After the media blitz they still could have worked up up those other states. Those comments were made by the police 10 years after she was abducted.

April 26, 2009
10:29 am
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The whole situation around the vehicles; black truck, white van, older passenger car, etc. is very sketchy. Police have acknowledged that Jodi did speak to them about being followed by a black pickup truck. Her sister Joanne also spoke of that incident.

Jodi was concerned for her safety and spoke to friends about it. She also wrote about it to her friends in Mississippi days before she was abducted. Jodi is also described as being "gullible" and not taking the black truck or other issues very seriously but she didn't. There was something in those last few days that frightened her. The jogger only spoke about the passenger car leaving the parking lot, she didn't mention any other vehicles.

Perhaps she was being stalked. One particular witness described several sightings of a truck being parked in the lot at weird times of the night, pointing to Jodi's apartment well after lights out.

Rather than a stalker, was that someone trying to protect her? That could be a possibility as well. Could this be the same person that banged on her door while she was at John VanSices? Was he trying to warn her of impending danger?

Perhaps this person that was trying to protect her witnessed the abduction from a distance and was afraid to come forward? In that case, we have an eye witness.

Keep the discussion coming and for kicking the theories about. One of the theories is probably right.

April 26, 2009
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I have something to add about a black pick-up truck.
I heard about a teacher who lived in Mason City at the time. He was male, thin and used to run in the mornings around 4:00-4:30 AM up in the area around the high school and towards NIACC. This is very close to where Jodi lived. He was a serious runner. He mentioned once about a black pick-up truck with tinted windows coming up next to him one morning while he was running in the dark. He said the truck "paced" him. He looked in the window to see who it was but couldn't because of the tinted windows. He said it scared the "--" out of him. He remarked that it was like the driver wanted to see who he was.

The woman jogger also talks about a similar incident only blocks from Jodi's apartment shortly before her abduction. This time, the vehicle was small, with their headlights off, and paced the jogger also; then drove off.

It is possible this stalker is the same person; only with two different vehicles.

It is mentioned that Jodi was also a jogger. Since she worked in the early mornings, I doubt she ran then....or did she? when she had a day off of work?
Was Jodi a regular and serious runner?

If not..this would mean the stalker knew she jogged. This means he would have to either live out of his vehicle, or live close by, to know her "not so regular" habits that well.

April 27, 2009
6:26 am
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I wonder when the male jogger had his encounter with the black pickup truck?
Could it have been during the two weeks prior to the abduction?

The driver of this truck didn't seem too concerned about who saw his truck and where. I presume he had visible tags? And nobody bothered to note them?

I wonder if the pickup truck driver was the person behind the wheel of the car leaving Key apartments at high speed?
Were there ever any reports of a black pickup truck harrassing runners [b]after the abduction?[/b]

I am having trouble fitting the white van and speeding car into the crime scene.
Since LE had most of their eggs in the white van 'basket' I presume they had good reason for doing so.

The question is was there one perpetrator or two?

April 27, 2009
9:52 am
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Jodi was the jogger who was being trailed by the blank pick-up truck, this was when she ran to someone house because she feared for her safety. I questioned sometime in the past if she every took down a plate number or partial, I was advised they don't know. it happened several weeks prior to her abduction. That was the main reason I thought that at that time it was meant to scare Jodi and was a message to someone else that they could harm someone they cared about if they didn't stop what they were doing and they were obvious about it to her. This goes back to the drug theory. What the "stop what they were doing" was a pure guess on my part.

May 1, 2009
7:34 am
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I don't know what to think of the drug theory. I believe it is plausible if this was a 'professional hit' so to speak.
At the very least this was a well planned abduction although untidy. By untidy I mean the possessions scattered about the crime scene and the palm print.
The crime is unsolved with little evidence, no body and witnesses who knew little. LE doesn't appear to have a suspect. Is that the result of the 'professional side of the crime?

It is worth noting Jodi's briefcase and purse went with her.

If the van was the perpetrator's vehicle I think it was a stalker.
Where does that leave the speeding car the jogger saw leaving the car park?

If the driver of the black pickup truck never came forward was he really an innocent party?

The vehicles in this case are real headache material.

May 11, 2009
4:21 am
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Did the joggers we hear about, the ones who were paced by the black pickup truck, ever see the truck after Jodi's abduction?

Was the black pickup truck seen by the residents of Key apartments in their parking lot at any time after the abduction?

May 11, 2009
10:21 am
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I also think we have to include Jodi's friend who's death was ruled a suicide but looked more like a possible murder. This was her friend who was the farmer, had just got engaged, bought new farm equipment had everything falling in place for him then he kills himself?? I remember reading somewhere that he had associations within the drug community at the time and became fearful for his life. This was a few weeks prior to Jodi's disappearance. He was found shot in his home.

October 23, 2009
5:41 am
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This thread has some very good posts (and I don't mean mine).:)

This is the very starting point of the mystery.
Which vehicle belonged to the perpetrator?

Personally I lean towards the car seen leaving the parking lot at high speed as the one.
However that leaves the white van as 'the elephant in the room.' Just what was it doing there at that time?

There is a 'red herring' here and it is these herrings that have wrecked this investigation.

So which vehicle took Jodi away that morning?

Was it a modern car with fast acceleration or an older van that would get you there as best it could?

As for the black pick up truck (known as a 'ute' for utility in my part of the world)where was that? Did it belong to the car driver or the van driver or was it someone else again?

My hunch is this was a lone perpetrator. The trouble with teams or groups is someone eventually will talk.

So which is the key vehicle that morning?

October 23, 2009
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Vinny, if you recall the lady joggers article:
she saw a small vehicle that morning, only seconds away in distance from Key Apts. This is the vehicle that was at the 5-way stop and sat there, with headlights on at 4:35 AM in the morning. It was a stand-off between a vehicle....with NO OTHER TRAFFIC around and the jogger. This is bizarre.
The lady jogger also says that this vehicle reminded her of the one she had had pacing her previously.

My belief, is that that vehicle...not a van..and not the car coming out of the parking lot was the one.
That no one has come forward to say they were the one in that car that morning is further proof to me, that that person cannot come forward because of guilt.

October 23, 2009
7:28 am
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Was this the same lady jogger who saw the car leaving the parking lot at high speed?

October 23, 2009
7:44 am
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Can anyone nominate any two of the roads or streets at the 5 way stop.

I would like to know exactly where this is in relation to Key apartments.

Please note: a lot of the article about the lady jogger appears to be missing.

October 23, 2009
10:22 am
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Has anyone thought about the fact the two cars were related. The White pick up did the abduction, the black car (to speculate a minute) was the person who was either hired or paid to have her abducted and witnessed the abduction to verify it was done then sped away, the objects left at the scene meant nothing to them.

I thought I read that the Pick up and the car went in two opposite directions coming out of the parking lot.

If that is correct you have a conspiracy, not a lone stalker or "Anyone with a television". Does anyone know when cell phones were available to the public? Was there access to a phone in the immediate area? Remember Jodi was late, the abductors waited, could they have called someone and verified she was still going to work and didn't call in sick? Either way they waited, they knew she was coming out of that building regardless of the hour.

October 23, 2009
11:21 am
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From early discussions I had with witnesses it was surmised that two cars were involved. One car entered the parking lot and abducted Jodi. The second car had originally been parked on Kentucky Avenue heading south. Two men were heard talking along side this car. Both were older model cars.

I am suspecting that the first car entered the lot when the light in Jodi's apartment went off. It is possible to see her unit from the street. This vehicle did the abduction assisted by the occupant of the other car. This offers the opportunity for the jogger to approach Key Apartments from the south and to witness the first car leave the lot. The second car must have left just seconds before that, heading north. There was no mention of a white van or a black pickup in the lot from the jogger. It would have been difficult for her to actually see the black pickup if it were parked next to the campground area.

Bottom line..two vehicles, both passenger cars. One turned south and almost ran over the jogger and another heading north. The jogger was probably 30 seconds behind witnessing Jodi's abduction. Keep in mind it would have been hard for either of the abductors to see the jogger because they would have been looking for a car and headlights coming north or south on Kentucky.

Of course, these are my thoughts. Nothing that I would want to take to the bank. More on POI on another posting.

October 26, 2009
6:36 am
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If there were two cars and two people involved in the abduction it puts an unusual slant on it for me.
The way I see it this is the way the criminal element behaves when 'taking someone out.'
People like gang members or maybe a drug cartel of some kind.
It amazes me that niether of these people have ever talked. If there is more than one person involved there is always the chance one will blab.
Perhaps they can't talk. I don't know.

Serial rapists and other sex offenders along with serial killers nearly always operate alone.

Boy, this case is a real headache.

September 7, 2010
1:51 am
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This old thread deserves a bump, especially to read Gary's post (about three above this one).

Maybe the lady jogger holds the key to unlocking this mystery.
After all she was very close to the scene of the crime and saw and heard a departing vehicle.

October 11, 2012
5:02 pm
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sixtiesrock said
We had a black pickup truck that frightened Jodi badly. So badly she feared for her safety.
This black pickup truck was seen a few times in the two weeks before the abduction.

Then we had the white van at the scene of the crime.

Finally there is the dark colored car that was seen by the lady jogger leaving the crime scene car park at high speed with the driving lights off.
The lights were put on once the car was steadied on the road.
This was about the time of the abduction too.

The way I see it LE put a lot of effort into finding the white van. They failed to locate it.

I wonder if any resources were put into finding the black pickup truck? Were black pickup trucks very common in 1995?

What about the car leaving at high speed, was it looked for?

And the jogger never mentioned seeing a white van on the road either.
The crime scene vehicle activity is very baffling.

For me the black pickup truck has a big red flag on it.

For me it is the car.

October 11, 2012
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sixtiesrock said
Exactly sixtyrock, does anyone know if any of Jodie's associates or friends had Black Trucks or White Vans or cars similar. In the video the police stated they checked out white vans either side of a specific year in IA,& MN. What about WI, IL, MO, NE, or SD. They have had 14 years to do this. After the media blitz they still could have worked up up those other states. Those comments were made by the police 10 years after she was abducted.

Cornseed  had a white van.

October 11, 2012
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sixtiesrock said
This thread has some very good posts (and I don't mean mine).:)

This is the very starting point of the mystery.
Which vehicle belonged to the perpetrator?

Personally I lean towards the car seen leaving the parking lot at high speed as the one.
However that leaves the white van as 'the elephant in the room.' Just what was it doing there at that time?

There is a 'red herring' here and it is these herrings that have wrecked this investigation.

So which vehicle took Jodi away that morning?

Was it a modern car with fast acceleration or an older van that would get you there as best it could?

As for the black pick up truck (known as a 'ute' for utility in my part of the world)where was that? Did it belong to the car driver or the van driver or was it someone else again?

My hunch is this was a lone perpetrator. The trouble with teams or groups is someone eventually will talk.

So which is the key vehicle that morning?

A rough looking noisy car. The van was not there the night of. Possibly someone got their days mixed up. The black pickup was the one that was following Jodi and when police  escort started the black truck was no longer seen.

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