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October 14, 2010
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The new ideas and new information are thought provoking.

Am I correct in deducting she may been murdered in the parking lot?
If so it makes me wonder why a young woman in the prime of life was killed, you know, just taken out as it were.

Surely there is a reason.

I know several forum members feel it was somehow linked to illicit drugs but was it really?
There has to be 'something' lurking in this case that we are unaware of.

October 15, 2010
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The new ideas and new information are thought provoking.

"Am I correct in deducting she may been murdered in the parking lot?"
I'm not too sure on this either. We know that there was a confrontation in the parking lot and she aparently said something along the lines of, "Don't do this, etc." The evidence at the crime scene shows that she was attacked as she went for her car. The evidence at the crime scene doesn't match up with the witness who claimed to hear the confrontation. IMO if a short dialogue occured, she wouldnt have been right next to her car because she would have got into her car if that was the case. Her key was bent which shows that she was unaware of someone or that they were a distance away during the encounter. I doubt the second one, if someone is pissed or confrontational, they get up close and in your face. So that makes me think that she was unaware of the presence of the attacker when she was approaching her car. I do think she was killed in the parking lot with a blunt object hit to the back of the head. What do you guys think?

I know several forum members feel it was somehow linked to illicit drugs but was it really?
You really can't judge a book by its cover. I think there are drugs somewhere in the picture. More likely indirectly linked to Jodi, but could have been a factor in the events leading up to her murder.

There has to be 'something' lurking in this case that we are unaware of.
I agree, if it's a relationship with mr. cornseed or her possible use of drugs, there is definitely something.

October 15, 2010
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That's pretty specific information about the small lake. The obvious questions are how small of a lake is this and how deep. If investigators feels she is there why has it taken 15 years to think about dredging this lake?? Is there something unusual about this lake that that hasn't been done already?. We are told how active the investigation is but yet unless this is a lot larger of a small lake with a bottomless pit why are we talking about this 15 years later??

How after 15 years is there this question about the timeline? Couldn't the friends husband have clarified all that in the first days of the investigation. Didn't they review her phone records?. Why is this a question now? I don't understand that at all.

Jodi could have been killed in the parking lot when you consider she did put up a little struggle, it was a lot later than they expected this to occur, they could have hit her harder than needed and killed her immediately. They probably intended to kill her eventually but maybe if this had anything to do with drugs they may have wanted to question her first but her "premature" death ended that.

If this is a random act lets say the MCPD idea of "Anyone with a TV set", are we in agreement that there probably was two people involved, If so, in random abduction cases how prevalent are multiple people involved in random acts of abduction?

Am I reading the story correctly that Mr. Amnesia, her boss DID know about Jodi's propensity to be late for work and reminded her to be on time?. I thought he knew nothing about that.

Like they say in Alice in Wonderland, "Things are getting curiouser and curiouser".

October 16, 2010
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My first thought is that the MCPD probably has dozens if not hundreds of people that they have interviewed over the years. Like most police departments around the country are short handed and they find it difficult to devote time on a case that is over 15 years old. What I am finding now is that there is an ever growing list of people that what to see this case brought to a conclusion. There is information that I had initially looked at and "put it on the back burner" and now that material is starting to mean something because a clue suddenly fits with an old bit of information.

I agree that the Timetable is important. It's confusing because if one item proves to be credible then it has a tendency to rule out other pieces of information. For many years I accepted one theory on the time line but now believe differently.

From what I am able to determine Jodi was still at the Country Club until nearly 8pm and had called her friend Kelly Torgason in Mississippi after she returned to her apartment. Because she had told Kelly's husband, Todd to have Kelly call her when she returned up to 9:30pm. This puts Jodi in her apartment from 8:?? until 9:30pm. She wouldn't have left her apartment during that time on the chance that Kelly would call.

From 9:30 until 4:00 we have to believe that Jodi was in her apartment. She had told Todd that after 9:30 she was going to bed. Unless someone else was in her apartment she probably went to sleep until the wake up call from Amy Kuns.

The question presents itself: "What time was she at John VanSice's apartment?

I believe that Jodi's body was disposed of in a lake within an hour after she was abducted. I agree with Jerry that there is a good possibility it was NE of Mason City. According to Jerry the lake had been searched at one time but there was so much algae in the lake they couldn't see. Jerry wants to do a search this winter when its frozen over. A hole would be cut in the ice and an underwater camera would be lowered in. Law enforcement was present during that search.

So, there you have my theories and I would be interested in hearing your's.

October 16, 2010
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Maybe John came to Jodi's apartment at 9:30 and showed her the vhs of the party. They had a disagreement. He left the toilet seat up. Waited in the parking lot for her to get up and confronter her about a disagreement they had had earlier.

October 16, 2010
12:27 pm
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Gary, do you know if the key witness to VS the night of the abduction was finally interviewed? Her information of VS insisting she be driven home in a different truck than the one she was getting into is compelling to me.

October 19, 2010
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re: "It has been long reported that Jodi went to friend John Vansice's house to view a video tape of a recent birthday that was thrown for her. FindJodi.com doesn't believe this event ever occurred."

why on earth would mr. vansice say she was with him sometime around 8:00 pm that day, if it never happened? it makes no sense.

he was given a lie detector test, wasn't he?

is there a phone record establishing where and when the phone call was made?

January 5, 2011
2:28 pm
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[b]sixtiesrock wrote:[/b]

I don't share the opinion that she was killed in the parking lot. I've always felt this was a two person operation: a driver and another individual who grabbed/restrained her.

If this was an orchestrated kidnapping with the intent to kill her it would have been done at another location--probably isolated and familiar to the kidnapper(s).

I don't agree that this was drug related in any way. The pages of her journal which were released to the public don't give any indication she was involved with anything illicit. Remember she was big into self improvement and goal driven, even stating in the journal that she was thinking about moving to AZ as a reporter or producer. I don't see someone who was working on a life plan doing something that would put that at risk. Plus if she was involved with a hot story that would change her career she would have stated that in the journal as well. (Remember she states in the journal that her professional life was not going too well.)

January 5, 2011
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There seems to be allot of things missing from her journal entries. Like having the police escort her to work for fear of her life. I still believe there is another journal, woman who keep journals write about everything that they can think of that pertains to them, their feelings, just about everything, but not a word about that? I don't buy that for a second. Either there is a second journal or they haven't released everything about it.

Why consider AZ? if corn seed salesman was just a friend. Maybe he filled her head with "Everything he could do for her there" if she followed him to AZ.

The only reason that drugs enter the picture is 1 - Who was at the golf tournament as a server. Honkens girlfriend. 2 - Her farmer friend who was killed was possibly involved in drugs.

Questions that need to be answered:

Who was pounding on her door the day before her abduction.
Who was the male from church who she pointed out where her apartment was from the parking lot.
Who was the friend that helped out at her party that was a friend of corn seed salesman.

Don't any of these things perk up your heads, all these people entering her life just before the abduction? Coincidence? maybe, but one thing we do know, she was abducted not long after these events happened.

January 5, 2011
6:11 pm
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("Male from church")I never came across that part, probably did and just forgot, The best place to go if you want people to prematurely trust you or win some one's trust is at church. I've come across many a disceatful indivisuals in sunday an wensday service in the past.

Not to affend the TRULY DEVOUT. If you truly walk with the ANGELS, GOD BLESS.

DREAMER

January 5, 2011
6:31 pm
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Vinny,

Bill Pruin, according to the interviews I have read here he was always pointing out the drug dealers to his girl friend. I think he must have been too loud about it and cockie and it pissed them off. Thet thinking the only way to shut him the heck up was to kill him... especially before he talked to Jodi. I guess he wanted to talk to her about something and never got the chance.

Bill and Jodi knew each other from a water skiing group they both were in. Now guess who owned the boat?

January 6, 2011
8:48 am
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janette
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Totally agree again Vinny :huh:

January 8, 2011
5:01 pm
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Mooney
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Did the White ford econoline van have Iowa plates.Did the Mcpd
ever check with car dealerdhips in town or surrounding communities.

February 12, 2011
6:55 am
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sixtiesrock
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People are killed when they become a serious threat. At least in the eyes of the perpetrator anyway.

Bill Pruin must have been perceived as a threat to somebody.
The same logic could to apply to Jodi.

Very few adult murders happen on a whim.
If they did, there would be bodies laying everywhere.

Dead people can't talk which is the very reason those who feel threatened want them that way.

If Jodi's abduction wasn't due to her being a threat then 'sex' in one its many guises will be in the background.

February 13, 2011
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I still think Pruin was probably a suicide.

Compare his behavior to a manic episode in bipolar disorder. A lot of red flags are there -- impulse control seems to have been low, ideation seems to have been a combination of grandiose and paranoid. Why on earth would you blab about this person, this person, this person who are allegedly dealing drugs?

A lot of people point to his buying a tractor as evidence he wouldn't commit suicide. This doesn't prove anything. Manias, especially where there are paranoiac hints, often contain extremely unpleasant thoughts which can come on suddenly. A 25-cent term that kind of captures the idea is "dysphoric mania." If you have it, the simplest explanation is that everything in your mind, positive and negative, seems bigger. A big purchase, made in a confident frame of mind, followed by feelings of intolerable despair is not at all atypical in someone who suffers from this disorder.

If he was going to kill himself, he would have no reason to be concerned about his new carpet. I refer, of course, to one of the more bogus arguments I read a while back for why this had to be a murder.

There's a lot of denial in small towns about mental illness and suicide -- and there was a heck of a lot more of it 15 years ago. I would hate to see this become a red herring that distracts the attention of capable people who want to see Jodi's abduction solved.

It's also propping up a drug-related theory of the crime which I think is unhelpful. Morning news anchors don't investigate dope stories, and if you had information to spill, you wouldn't approach one. We have not heard of any drugs or paraphernalia in Jodi's apartment or any unusual financial transactions, so if she used or sold at all, it was probably a trivial and casual thing. (Or, canard of canards, the police are conspiring to suppress it). She probably knew some users and maybe even dealers from the bars. "What goes on at the bar, stays at the bar." She didn't want her privacy invaded and almost certainly wouldn't have spilled the beans on anything she could simply ignore.

February 13, 2011
9:53 pm
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Reading all the hypotheses and information I've never heard before has been eye opening. (I'm new here.) I was living in Texas when Jodi disappeared and have just the vaguest memory of hearing about it in passing at the time. Over the years I've seen her case profiled on various shows, and I've read quite a bit about it, so I know more now than I did back when it happened.

I don't know why, exactly, but this case has intrigued and touched me--as it obviously has a lot of others. I think there's something just so...wrong...about a person apparently disappearing into thin air. Yet, as my fellow [b]Nancy Grace[/b] fans know, this actually happens every day.

February 13, 2011
10:20 pm
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Welcome....I am a fairly newcomer too compared to alot on here and I was also drawn to this story & website ...so hard to believe how one can just vanish off the face of the earth!!

October 12, 2012
10:46 am
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Janette said
The new ideas and new information are thought provoking.

"Am I correct in deducting she may been murdered in the parking lot?"
I'm not too sure on this either. We know that there was a confrontation in the parking lot and she aparently said something along the lines of, "Don't do this, etc." The evidence at the crime scene shows that she was attacked as she went for her car. The evidence at the crime scene doesn't match up with the witness who claimed to hear the confrontation. IMO if a short dialogue occured, she wouldnt have been right next to her car because she would have got into her car if that was the case. Her key was bent which shows that she was unaware of someone or that they were a distance away during the encounter. I doubt the second one, if someone is pissed or confrontational, they get up close and in your face. So that makes me think that she was unaware of the presence of the attacker when she was approaching her car. I do think she was killed in the parking lot with a blunt object hit to the back of the head. What do you guys think?

I know several forum members feel it was somehow linked to illicit drugs but was it really?
You really can't judge a book by its cover. I think there are drugs somewhere in the picture. More likely indirectly linked to Jodi, but could have been a factor in the events leading up to her murder.

There has to be 'something' lurking in this case that we are unaware of.
I agree, if it's a relationship with mr. cornseed or her possible use of drugs, there is definitely something.

Supposedly she was smashed into her rear view mirrors, but if you look at her car, you will see that they are not very heavy duty. I think he just stunned her by doing this long enough to get her into the trunk. I don't think Jodi was into drugs, but cornseed was deeply involved in selling them. She screamed out "NO (his name) then Don't".

October 12, 2012
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Janette said
That's pretty specific information about the small lake. The obvious questions are how small of a lake is this and how deep. If investigators feels she is there why has it taken 15 years to think about dredging this lake?? Is there something unusual about this lake that that hasn't been done already?. We are told how active the investigation is but yet unless this is a lot larger of a small lake with a bottomless pit why are we talking about this 15 years later??

How after 15 years is there this question about the timeline? Couldn't the friends husband have clarified all that in the first days of the investigation. Didn't they review her phone records?. Why is this a question now? I don't understand that at all.

Jodi could have been killed in the parking lot when you consider she did put up a little struggle, it was a lot later than they expected this to occur, they could have hit her harder than needed and killed her immediately. They probably intended to kill her eventually but maybe if this had anything to do with drugs they may have wanted to question her first but her "premature" death ended that.

If this is a random act lets say the MCPD idea of "Anyone with a TV set", are we in agreement that there probably was two people involved, If so, in random abduction cases how prevalent are multiple people involved in random acts of abduction?

Am I reading the story correctly that Mr. Amnesia, her boss DID know about Jodi's propensity to be late for work and reminded her to be on time?. I thought he knew nothing about that.

Like they say in Alice in Wonderland, "Things are getting curiouser and curiouser".

I believe there was only one person involved.

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