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The Disappeared episode
January 30, 2013
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I watched the Disappeared episode on YouTube this morning. I thought it was well-done and it did spur a few thoughts regarding Jodi's disappearance that hadn't occurred to me before. Sorry this is long. Lots of stuff to explain.

 

1. The producer's first phone call to Jodi at a little after 4am. She said it took Jodi a long time to pick up the phone, and when Jodi eventually picked up, she sounded like she'd just woke up. There's something that strikes me as odd about that because when I think of somebody taking a long time to pick up a phone--even if it is 4am--I think the person probably wasn't close to the phone or was doing something that wouldn't allow her to answer the phone. From what I remember, going way back to 1995 before the spread of cell phones, it used to be everyone had a phone beside their bed. Did Jodi have a phone beside her bed? And even so, no matter how deep of a sleeper she was, would it take a \"long time\" to pick up the phone? I think a phone ringing right beside your bed would wake most people up on like the second ring, which wouldn't be consider a \"long time.\" I guess what I'm saying is that I think she was already awake and the reason she didn't answer the phone right away was because somebody else was in the apartment with her. And, she faked sounding sleepy so she'd have a good excuse. I think this all jives with my idea that I have never believed somebody waited outside for over an hour (because she was late) to kidnap her. Furthermore, it was dark that morning and police say she was attacked from behind. With those facts, how could she ever yell somebody's name if she couldn't see the assailant's face? Maybe the lights in the parking lot were bright enough. But, maybe the reason she knew which name to yell was because the person had been with her inside her apartment moments before and she didn't need to see a face? I don't know, maybe it's nothing. But I've heard the producer say that before and it never struck me. This time it did. 

 

2. Billy Pruin--I happened upon iowacoldcase.org. Would anyone be surprised to know that, according to that website, there are only two cold cases involving adults in Mason City for the entire decade of the 90's? And those two people's incidences  happened with three months of each other, and the two people not only knew each other but were good friends. And the two cases aren't just cold cases but cases involving unusual circumstances. Those are some coincidences, wouldn't you say? Yep, Jodi and Billy. That Jodi wasn't going to let Billy's suicide-most likely-murder go away seems like a much more plausible reason somebody took Jodie than anything else I've heard, including the drug ring angle.

     As for Billy's suicide, it's not unusual for people to shoot themselves in the chest--that's how Junior Seau committed suicide. Yes, the bullet hole sizes are suspicious. But, I'm more interested in the gun--it was his own. That somebody chased him inside doesn't wash with me. If a person/people did come to his residence to hurt him--for whatever reason--they wouldn't show up without their own weapon, would they? And, do we really believe somebody or even a group of people wrestled the gun away from Billy without causing damage inside the house? I mean, it doesn't seem like Billy would've been the kind of guy to give his gun up easily.

     The scenario I like much better that fits the facts, including the bullet holes, is that someone who knew Billy very well shot him--somebody who knew where he kept his .44 Magnum. Shot him in the back, or in the chest, pick one--it doesn't matter. However, I will admit I can't rule out the suicide scenario for the simple reason that people do seemingly strange things before committing suicide. For example, within the last year a woman jumped off a bridge to her death near me on her way to work one morning. Ten minutes before she jumped, she stopped to get coffee at the local convenience store that she always stopped at on her way to work. The cup 'o joe, half full and still warm, was in her car--parked in the middle of the bridge--when the EMT's got there. So, Billy buying a tractor before possibly committing suicide isn't totally outrageous.

     One thing about .44 Magnum's though. Yes, I know, it's the \"most powerful handgun in the world.\" I could swear I remember reading somewhere that the Magnum's muzzle velocity is actually what hurts it from having good stopping power. Because the bullet is moving so fast, if it doesn't hit any organs, it doesn't do a lot of damage to the human body. Whereas, bullets with lower velocities--like a .38--hit the human body and stop, and kind of bounce around inside. So, it is conceivable that the damage on Billy's chest was from the muzzle flash and air pushed against it and the hole in his back was the clean exit hole from a bullet flying really fast, because it will cut the skin very clean. I'm no gun expert, that's for sure, but for some reason I remember reading that. 

 

3. I saw the interview with JVS in the show. Yes, he used the past tense. But, I was more struck by his demeanor. I would expect him to say nice things about Jodi, of course. But, he was doing it with almost a smile on his face. I mean, she's gone. Disappeared. Vanished. Shouldn't he have been shaking his head, looking down at the ground, etc., showing some signs that he was really worried. He didn't look worried to me, no matter what was coming out of his mouth. I remind everyone: women are most likely to be harmed by a man they know, not a stranger. I'm just sayin' . . . It also said on the show that JVS left his house at 5am to take a walk the morning Jodi disappeared. Did he always take a walk then? Or, did he say that to establish an alibi if someone saw him coming back to his place later that morning? Did anyone actually see him leave his place at 5am?

 

4. I totally do not believe Ms. Ohl. Maybe I should re-phrase that. It's totally possible some informant told her the police had something to do with Jodi's disappearance. But, when I watch the interview she conducted and all she can say is something like: the taxpayers should be angry that their tax dollars are going to these officers. Hey, Ms. Ohl how about: the taxpayers should be angry because some of their officers could be killers . . . ? She seemed more interested in the policeman losing their salaries than any justice being doled out. Her words tell me she isn't totally buying into the informant's story--if there even was a story--either. It was a money grab by her and that pastor--my opinion. Disgruntled for whatever reason--maybe good reasons, maybe bad, I don't know, I wasn't there.    

I guess reading all this stuff (sorry it's long) establishes what I think happened. And, of course, I'm not alone. I think it's very possible that JVS had something to do with Billy and Jodi. I say that because I don't believe Billy and Jodi's cases are separate, given what I stated in #2. It very well could be JVS got jealous of Billy. Met him at his house. Knew him well so he might've known where the .44 was. (For example, JVS is waiting for Billy when he gets home. Billy, surprised to see JVS there, forgets to take his boots off before he goes inside. JVS wanders over to where the gun is kept. Etc.)  Then, those weeks later, in a fit of weakness and knowing Jodi might be on to something regarding Billy, JVS confessed to her early that morning she disappeared, thinking she'd stop her investigation because they were close friends, especially since he just threw a party for her. When he discovered she was going to continue, he couldn't let that happen, no matter if he had his boat named after her or not. So, he follows her down the steps from her apartment and assaults her in the parking lot. In the end, it was a friendship triangle gone bad--it happens all the time.

January 31, 2013
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some of the things were discovered in the parking lot and around her vehicle were like her hair dryer, her brush. The driver’s side mirror was actually ... ah, folded in the outward position, which a make it appear that someone had been had had brushed up against it and actually folded it in the outward position (deep breath) um of her red Mazda Miata.

 

You may have noticed that the police are rewriting history here. Out of the clear blue we have a situation where the blood has disappeared from the crime scene, huh? After eighteen years you decide to remove the blood! And you’ve moved the attack from the passenger side of the car to the driver’s side? Excuse me? Is this whole investigation a lie? What are we to believe? First we have the diary being leaked to the media, now the blood disappears from the crime scene. What are the odds that they don’t really have a palm print? I’ve got a feeling the whole evidence room has been compromised and tainted. What say you, Mason City Police?
JoAnn says she trust the Mason City Police Department ??? How? Why?

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some of the things were discovered in the parking lot and around her vehicle were like her hair dryer, her brush. The driver’s side mirror was actually ... ah, folded in the outward position, which a make it appear that someone had been had had brushed up against it and actually folded it in the outward position (deep breath) um of her red Mazda Miata.

 

You may have noticed that the police are rewriting history here.  

Out of the clear blue we have a situation where the blood has disappeared from the crime scene, huh?
After eighteen years you decide to remove the blood! And you’ve moved the attack from the passenger side of the car to the driver’s side? Excuse me? Is this whole investigation a lie? What are we to believe? First we have the diary being leaked to the media, now the blood disappears from the crime scene. What are the odds that they don’t really have a palm print? I’ve got a feeling the whole evidence room has been compromised and tainted. What say you, Mason City Police?
JoAnn says she trust the Mason City Police Department ??? How? Why?

 

That too struck me as odd...according to police the blood found was a rumor? Idk about that...

As for the attack taking place on driver's side, from all i remember hearing and seeing about this case that IS where it happened...the bent car key as if Jodi was grabbed as she started to put it in the lock...the palmprint was on the driver's side, iirc....as was the 'rumored' blood evidence....

February 2, 2013
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I watched the Disappeared episode . . . it's so sad to me that Jodi's case is still unsolved, but I was intrigued that this show went a little further in publicly calling out a few points on the case that, up until now, have just been discussed on the website.

I will discuss some of my observations:

Thunderkloud, I didn't think about it until I read your post, but I remember hearing in years past the passenger's side is where the attack happened.  I just imagined Jodi was putting her belongings down in the passengers seat before going around to the driver's side. I know when I have a handful of stuff I do that sometimes, too.

 

Fasteddy, until I read your post, I never considered how Jodi could yell a name, when you're right, word is that Jodi was attacked from behind. I have never believed that someone was in her apartment that morning, but you have made some compelling points.  The toilet seat lid being up, to me, is not that strange . . . if say, for example, Jodi had wiped off the seat for some reason before leaving for work and forgot to put it back down since she was in a hurry.

I guess I'm most amazed that Billy's case was even mentioned. . . but I'm glad it was!  I am also surprised that so much detail went into JVS.  Particularly, the show challenged the theory as to whether Jodi even watched the video of her birthday party that Monday night with JVS. He was even called out on speaking in the past tense. That's something I always noticed, but was hesitant to post in the past for fear it would seem I were making an accusation, which we are asked not to do on this board.

The neighbors who didn't call police that morning-- it's an after-the-fact cop-out to claim that the campground was always noisy. I bet there weren't many women screaming in Mason City, Iowa, at 4 a.m., most mornings, not even from that campground. If so, police would have been called for noise complaints continuously.  I am sure that her scream that morning was not the norm for Mason City, Iowa, and I can't buy that it was such a cavalier event.  I am so puzzled by this:  Did anyone that morning see Jodi's belongings scattered across the parking lot and not find that suspicious enough to call police prior to the television station calling after the morning news?

I have worked at a TV station myself, in a small market like Mason City, and I know this:  an anchor who is habitually late would be fired because someone would tell on her.  Jodi took her career seriously; I'll never believe being late was habit for her. Getting the news on the air is important, but not as important as Jodi unaccounted for when she said she would be right there.  Someone should have called the police earlier, and sometimes, when I think about this I get angry -- especially when some in that newsroom knew Jodi had fears of being followed by a black truck. Other programs have interviewed those who said she expressed these concerns.  I feel sorry for the people working there that morning because I'm sure they regret not calling police sooner.  I sincerely don't mean to make them feel worse if they happen to read this, but the decision to wait until after the morning news is unsettling to me.

As for JoAnn, I can understand why she believes in the police department; they've been a part of her life for years now.  I think JoAnn is a really classy, nice lady who is always so composed.  She obviously loved Jodi very much.  I feel so for her, the entire family, and Mrs. Huisentruit, whom JoAnn mentioned is now in a nursing home.  I would be heart-broken if I thought the MCP was involved; I just don't buy that theory myself.  I wish I did, however, know more details of Ohl's accusations.  We are just teased enough to know she said something, but no one will get specific. 

I wonder about this though:  Okay, so after the former police official's wife sent in the journal, his home (a former officer) was searched by law enforcement.  But in 1995, when JVS admitted he was last to see Jodi, why couldn't that have been enough to give police grounds to obtain a warrant?  I know they caught the former police official's wife in something, but wouldn't there have been probable cause for JVS search, too?  I mean, after all, if the police were wrong, they could have just apologized and moved on, and theoretically, JVS shouldn't be upset because if he loved Jodi as he claimed, he'd want to cooperate to be sure she was found.

 

 

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I apologize for the double post.  It was an accident, and I can't figure out how to delete it.  Thanks, Greg

 

 

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I watched the episode (which I thought was well done), and I recently read Dead Air (which I thought was really well done).

 

I'm reminded of a quote from The Usual Suspects:

 

It's always simple. There's no mystery to the street, no arch criminal behind it all. If you got a dead body and you think his brother did it, you're gonna find out you're right.

 

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Curious what was omitted

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I know what was omitted as i read it before it was...A proper name was used pointing the finger definitively as Jodi's abductor. He had a boat and named it after Jodi...

Welcome to the forum, Godfather..As a rule, naming names(suspects or persons of interest) isnt allowed on here.... 

 

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That is the case. Thank you Rachel for explaining. Per the rules of the forum, if forum users accuse someone of being responsible for the crime, their post may be edited or removed. If it is a common occurrence, that user may be blacklisted from the website.

The truth is there has never been a named suspect in this case. While we all have opinions and theories as to who may have committed the crime, accusing any such person here would be inappropriate as all persons are innocent until proven guilty.

Thank you for your contribution to the Forum and your understanding.

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I watched the Disappeared episode on YouTube this morning. I thought it was well-done and it did spur a few thoughts regarding Jodi's disappearance that hadn't occurred to me before. Sorry this is long. Lots of stuff to explain.

 

1. The producer's first phone call to Jodi at a little after 4am. She said it took Jodi a long time to pick up the phone, and when Jodi eventually picked up, she sounded like she'd just woke up. There's something that strikes me as odd about that because when I think of somebody taking a long time to pick up a phone--even if it is 4am--I think the person probably wasn't close to the phone or was doing something that wouldn't allow her to answer the phone. From what I remember, going way back to 1995 before the spread of cell phones, it used to be everyone had a phone beside their bed. Did Jodi have a phone beside her bed? And even so, no matter how deep of a sleeper she was, would it take a "long time" to pick up the phone? I think a phone ringing right beside your bed would wake most people up on like the second ring, which wouldn't be consider a "long time." I guess what I'm saying is that I think she was already awake and the reason she didn't answer the phone right away was because somebody else was in the apartment with her. And, she faked sounding sleepy so she'd have a good excuse. I think this all jives with my idea that I have never believed somebody waited outside for over an hour (because she was late) to kidnap her. Furthermore, it was dark that morning and police say she was attacked from behind. With those facts, how could she ever yell somebody's name if she couldn't see the assailant's face? Maybe the lights in the parking lot were bright enough. But, maybe the reason she knew which name to yell was because the person had been with her inside her apartment moments before and she didn't need to see a face? I don't know, maybe it's nothing. But I've heard the producer say that before and it never struck me. This time it did. 

 **I dont agree here...I am a deep sleeper and have to get up at  4am for work...My cell phone, right next to me and on the loudest volume, can ring thru straight to vm sometimes, its set to on the 4th ring. I just dont hear it... This was also true back in the day with my bedside phone :)

 

2. Billy Pruin--I happened upon iowacoldcase.org. Would anyone be surprised to know that, according to that website, there are only two cold cases involving adults in Mason City for the entire decade of the 90's? And those two people's incidences  happened with three months of each other, and the two people not only knew each other but were good friends. And the two cases aren't just cold cases but cases involving unusual circumstances. Those are some coincidences, wouldn't you say? Yep, Jodi and Billy. That Jodi wasn't going to let Billy's suicide-most likely-murder go away seems like a much more plausible reason somebody took Jodie than anything else I've heard, including the drug ring angle.

     As for Billy's suicide, it's not unusual for people to shoot themselves in the chest--that's how Junior Seau committed suicide. Yes, the bullet hole sizes are suspicious. But, I'm more interested in the gun--it was his own. That somebody chased him inside doesn't wash with me. If a person/people did come to his residence to hurt him--for whatever reason--they wouldn't show up without their own weapon, would they? And, do we really believe somebody or even a group of people wrestled the gun away from Billy without causing damage inside the house? I mean, it doesn't seem like Billy would've been the kind of guy to give his gun up easily.

     The scenario I like much better that fits the facts, including the bullet holes, is that someone who knew Billy very well shot him--somebody who knew where he kept his .44 Magnum. Shot him in the back, or in the chest, pick one--it doesn't matter. However, I will admit I can't rule out the suicide scenario for the simple reason that people do seemingly strange things before committing suicide. For example, within the last year a woman jumped off a bridge to her death near me on her way to work one morning. Ten minutes before she jumped, she stopped to get coffee at the local convenience store that she always stopped at on her way to work. The cup 'o joe, half full and still warm, was in her car--parked in the middle of the bridge--when the EMT's got there. So, Billy buying a tractor before possibly committing suicide isn't totally outrageous.

     One thing about .44 Magnum's though. Yes, I know, it's the "most powerful handgun in the world." I could swear I remember reading somewhere that the Magnum's muzzle velocity is actually what hurts it from having good stopping power. Because the bullet is moving so fast, if it doesn't hit any organs, it doesn't do a lot of damage to the human body. Whereas, bullets with lower velocities--like a .38--hit the human body and stop, and kind of bounce around inside. So, it is conceivable that the damage on Billy's chest was from the muzzle flash and air pushed against it and the hole in his back was the clean exit hole from a bullet flying really fast, because it will cut the skin very clean. I'm no gun expert, that's for sure, but for some reason I remember reading that.

**Of your entire post, this bit of statistics seems the most intriguing...I havent checked it myself, but if thats true then there is very little chance it is coincidence..I dont really believe in coincidence 98% of the time, so this nugget of info could be a part of the puzzle that helps define and eventually lead to a resolution of this case...

 

 

 3. I saw the interview with JVS in the show. Yes, he used the past tense. But, I was more struck by his demeanor. I would expect him to say nice things about Jodi, of course. But, he was doing it with almost a smile on his face. I mean, she's gone. Disappeared. Vanished. Shouldn't he have been shaking his head, looking down at the ground, etc., showing some signs that he was really worried. He didn't look worried to me, no matter what was coming out of his mouth. I remind everyone: women are most likely to be harmed by a man they know, not a stranger. I'm just sayin' . . . It also said on the show that JVS left his house at 5am to take a walk the morning Jodi disappeared. Did he always take a walk then? Or, did he say that to establish an alibi if someone saw him coming back to his place later that morning? Did anyone actually see him leave his place at 5am?

**Yes yes and yes....though people do express worry differently from each other, and perhaps having the media focus on him could cause this strange demeanor, but Im not sure i believe that..

 

 

4. I totally dont believe Ms. Ohl. Maybe I should re-phrase that. It's totally possible some informant told her the police had something to do with Jodi's disappearance. But, when I watch the interview she conducted and all she can say is something like: the taxpayers should be angry that their tax dollars are going to these officers. Hey, Ms. Ohl how about: the taxpayers should be angry because some of their officers could be killers . . . ? She seemed more interested in the policeman losing their salaries than any justice being doled out. Her words tell me she isn't totally buying into the informant's story--if there even was a story--either. It was a money grab by her and that pastor--my opinion. Disgruntled for whatever reason--maybe good reasons, maybe bad, I don't know, I wasn't there.    

I guess reading all this stuff (sorry it's long) establishes what I think happened. And, of course, I'm not alone. I think it's very possible that JVS had something to do with Billy and Jodi. I say that because I don't believe Billy and Jodi's cases are separate, given what I stated in #2. It very well could be JVS got jealous of Billy. Met him at his house. Knew him well so he might've known where the .44 was. (For example, JVS is waiting for Billy when he gets home. Billy, surprised to see JVS there, forgets to take his boots off before he goes inside. JVS wanders over to where the gun is kept. Etc.)  Then, those weeks later, in a fit of weakness and knowing Jodi might be on to something regarding Billy, JVS confessed to her early that morning she disappeared, thinking she'd stop her investigation because they were close friends, especially since he just threw a party for her. When he discovered she was going to continue, he couldn't let that happen, no matter if he had his boat named after her or not. So, he follows her down the steps from her apartment and assaults her in the parking lot. In the end, it was a friendship triangle gone bad--it happens all the time.

Neither do i. 

 

 

 

  

 

 

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No worries folks.  Rookie mistake.

 

Let's try this again...

 

This is obviously a very complex case, with lots of theories, speculation and conjecture.  My point, getting back to The Usual Suspects line, is that sometimes the right answer is the obvious answer, the one right under your nose.

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No worries folks.  Rookie mistake.

 

Let's try this again...

 

This is obviously a very complex case, with lots of theories, speculation and conjecture.  My point, getting back to The Usual Suspects line, is that sometimes the right answer is the obvious answer, the one right under your nose.

 

I have always(mostly) believed that too and have even considered his son may have been involved also. I have allowed myself to get caught up with other plausible theories but at the end of the day this one, the most obvious and simple, always comes back to take the lead.    

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Hello, everyone, my first post here.  I've wondered about Jodi since I first heard about this case so many years ago.  I've followed other crimes, and godfather's mention of the answer usually being the most obvious, reminded me of the K.I.S.S theory: "Keep It Simple, Stupid".    NOT saying anyone is stupid, but since we normally get caught up in so many complex aspects of a crime, we want to sometimes back up and remind ourselves to keep it Simple.   The answer usually is.

I have a few ideas about this case, but just for now, would like to hear what all of you think in regard to the possible scenarios.  I'm wondering about someone who 'apparently' was cleared - how do I ask this without any names??

 

Is anyone still discussing this case here??  Just noticed last post was some time ago. frown

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Hi Ann,

To the best of my knowledge, no one has been cleared of the crime.  One man held a press conference to say he passed a lie detector test, but the police never confirmed, so, to me, that means he continues to be a "person of interest."

Another man's palm print didn't match the print from Jodi's car. One detective said they had come to the end of the line in that particular branch of the investigation, which might mean they had dismissed him as a possible suspect or they had no further evidence they could assess to possibly link him to the murder.  

I agree with your admonition to keep it simple. I've always thought Jodi's celebrity status was blue smoke and mirrors, which unfortunately MAY have kept the police from focusing on someone close to Jodi. I really regret that certain vehicles weren't searched, apartments weren't searched, clothing wasn't analyzed for blood evidence, certain people weren't watched more closely in their activities during the critical 24 - 48 hours following Jodi's disappearance.

If you're interested in learning even more about the case, you might want to watch Fade to Black on this website.  It's worth the small donation. Notably, iit was co-written by one of the founders of Find Jodi, who, to me, dropped some very valuable information into the mix. I've been following this case for more than 17 years and I read Dead Air closely, but I still learned several new things from watching the play: the name of a woman who was close to one of the persons of interest, information about some very odd behavior on the morning of Jodi's abduction and also some extremely suspicious behavior 24 hours after Jodi disappeared.  It has caused me to reassess my certainty that Jodi was dead by the time the police were alerted and that only one person abducted her. I now think her abductor may have had a cohort, Jodi might have been alive 24 hours laterOR that her body was not immediately disposed of, as I thought before.  Anyway, the play is very thought provoking.  

 

 

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I'm new to this post and don't know if anyone else has raised this question, but i noted that the police stated that JVS prints did not match the palm print found on the car and that is why he was ruled out as a suspect. My question is; who's to say the palm print is connected in any way to the abduction? This could have been left there in many different circumstances, by anyone.

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Wow, when I wrote my original post five months ago I never thought it would get over 5000 views. Not sure how that happened but I'd like to expound on a couple points now that I've re-visited the case and watched the program from 2000 that recently went up on YouTube and elsewhere. Before I start, thanks to all those who read my original post and replied.

 

1. The toilet seat being up still bothers me. My understanding is Jodi lived in a one bedroom apartment--meaning there was only one bathroom in it. Meaning, there was only one toilet in it. If that's not correct, totally discount everything I am about to say. In any case . . .

      I've read where some people think the seat was up because she'd cleaned the toilet recently and left it up. I have a question: when exactly did she clean it? Before the party the evening before? When she came home that night? The next morning when she was scrambling to work? I'd like somebody to give me a definitive answer. My assertion is none of those most likely scenarios make sense at all. If it was before the party--you mean she didn't go to the bathroom once after coming home or after getting up the next morning--thus putting the seat back down? If it was before she went to bed--you mean she didn't go to the bathroom the next morning when she woke up like just about every other human being on the planet--thus putting the seat back down? If it was after she got up--so, she's late for work and takes time to clean the toilet--not believable but at least it leaves the possibility of the seat ending up in the up position. I'm sorry but if every woman who lives alone would go into their bathroom right now and check the toilet seat, at least 95 percent of them would find the seat down no matter if the toilet was cleaned last week or an hour ago.

Here's what I can see: I can see it being up because she was sick and throwing up into the toilet before her wakeup call--however she didn't mention being sick when called. I can see it being up because she may have had a plumbing problem she just discovered that morning and might have tried a plunger on it for like two seconds--but is there any proof of that? But we all know the most likely reason a seat is up in a single woman's apartment is because a man was there--it's the highest percentage scenario of all possibilities. I am really really really not trying to be anal about this but all of the reasons given so far for the "toilet seat up fact" are on the low percentage side of the graph, not the high side. And, as I said in my original post, if we go with the "man in the apartment" hypothesis that fits with the toilet seat position, what happened outside is easier to understand. And we don't have to start imagining what kind of person waited an hour (at least) for her to come out of her apartment since she was late. Think about it.

 

2. The wakeup call. I've watched and read a lot of stuff about Jodi's disappearance but I'd like something cleared up. What is the general theory as to why Jodi slept in that morning? Did she not set her alarm? Did she wake up when her alarm went off, kept hitting the snooze, and falling back asleep? Did she wake up, totally turn off her alarm, and fall back asleep? I'd like to know because I don't think the answer is trivial. This is gonna be another one where I promise I'm not trying to be anal. But this goes back to how long it took her to answer the phone. In any case . . .

    If the answer is she didn't set her alarm, then I can wrap my head around why it took her several seconds to answer her phone. She's in a deep sleep. Like the film Inception, it may have seemed like the phone ringing was part of her dream. Etc. Etc. Etc. But . . .what kind of professional person doesn't set his/her alarm? It wasn't like she worked at 7-11 and the manager wouldn't care if she were a couple minutes late. Now, if you're gonna tell me she set the alarm and the alarm was going off for an hour and still she didn't wake up, and it was the phone ringing that finally broke her out of the sleep--meaning when she woke up and both the alarm and the phone were going off, okay, I can believe that. But Jodi said she overslept, not that she slept through her alarm. In fact, had she said she slept through her alarm, it would be much more acceptable and less punishable than the generic, "I overslept." Oversleeping sounds like she just didn't care if she showed up at work or not. If it's me, I'm gonna tell a story--if I want to keep my job--that is so understandable--even if it's a lie--that I won't get in trouble beyond the usual, "don't do it again." So, I'm left wondering if she actually did oversleep . . . or was it something else? Maybe her mind was on something/someone else at the time and a generic answer was all she had time for.   

    If the answer is she kept hitting the snooze button, then this is where it gets dicey. If she kept hitting the Snooze, how deep of a sleep could she have been in? The phone ringing beside her bed had to be louder than the alarm going off. So, she could keep hitting the snooze for an hour--it going off probably every 10 minutes--but it took her several seconds to answer the phone? I'm not sure that makes sense. At some point in that hour she had to have figured out she was cutting it very close with work, right?

    If the answer is the alarm went off and she turned it off, thinking she was awake and didn't have to worry about being late for work, I'm still left wondering how deep of a sleep she could've been in to let the phone ring and ring and ring before answering it. And once again, I'm gonna say it: she came up with the most generic of explanations regarding her not being at work on time--"she overslept." The answer is almost TOO honest, and this from a woman who had been late to work before. Maybe she didn't have time to get a little creative because she was otherwise engaged.

 

3. The van. Because I'm going to keep banging away at the idea that a man stayed over at Jodi's place that night, I'm inclined to believe the van somebody saw that morning was pulled into its position after Jodi had already been assaulted. There is no way anyone will ever convince me somebody sat in a van in a parking lot for an hour longer than the person planned to. Out in the open, exposed, conspicuous, etc. All it would take was somebody with insomnia to ruin the entire thing. An early morning walker. A nosy neighbor. Somebody with an early morning emergency. Just one person walking by the van would've ruin everything. It's too chancey. Even people who have been caught while being obsessed with someone take measures to not be discovered--they don't sit out in the open for everyone to see. Stalkers, the mentally disturbed, people who trespass onto famous peoples' property, they rarely do it in such an open manner as to be waiting outside the person's front door. They may approach them in a crowd. They may jump over a gate in the middle of the night. They may pretend to be someone else to get access to their residence. But sitting outside and endlessly waiting for the object of their desire is very, very rare. As I've state before, all of us on here are probably familiar with many solved and unsolved murders and disappearances. And we'd all be hard-pressed to find a scenario where the perpetrator waited an hour longer than expected to conduct his crime. Once again, this leads me back to the idea a man was in Jodi's place that morning. His van was parked there in the parking lot. They have an argument. She tries to leave. He stops her in the parking lot. Things go bad. He pulls his van around. Throws her in it. All done in under a minute.

 

June 26, 2013
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Another great post, Fast Eddy. 

Here's my thought on the van.I completely agree with you that someone who is operating with premeditation  would not idle in the parking lot in one place for a long period of time. However, someone who was angry, but had no preconceived plan to kill Jodi, might wait for her. That person might have thought he was just waiting to "have it out" with Jodi, a shouting match. But, when she finally emerged, he was so angry, and maybe drunk, he lost control and hit her too hard, rendering her either unconscious or stunned, creating a bigger situation. To me, this is a crime of passion, then panic, not premeditation. JMHO.

There was probably another man, maybe someone who was at the golf tournament that day. I would love to see a list of who played that day. 

 

 

June 27, 2013
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Fast Eddy, Mason City and the surrounding communities aren't your typical busy cities where the highways and interstates start to fill up at 5:30. I delivered papers while in high school in the area and before 5:30AM, the streets are basically empty. Come to think of it, in all the years of delivering papers, the only other people I saw out and about at that time were other carriers. It was indeed that dead. Anyone from around the area knows that and wouldn't worry too much about being spotted.

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Tomahawk, I 100% agree with you that it is within the realm of possibility that it was a situation where somebody confronted Jodi and it got out of hand. In fact, in most domestic issues that's how it usually goes down. A discussion turns into a disagreement, turns into an argument, turns into a fight, turns into somebody going to jail--usually the man.

 

My only problem with that scenario in Jodi's case is that usually passion--of the hate or love kind--and patience don't go together. Here's a person who either stayed up all night or got up early to encounter her--not true signs of patience. But then, when finally getting to her place, waited an hour for her to come out--a true sign of patience. This person had to know that with every passing second of her not coming out (being late), the time to air their grievances, profess their love, whatever, was slowly vanishing.  

 

Now, it may be the case that this person didn't calculate every second while sitting in that van--if in fact the van had anything to do with Jodi's disappearance. Maybe I'm giving the perpetrator too many logical qualities. It's possible. But I don't think it's a stretch to say that if the person who took Jodi was someone who knew her well, and she knew him well, the person doesn't wait for an hour for her to come out. Instead, the guy (or gal) waits ten minutes. When she doesn't show, they go to her apartment. It's not like she was at work, or in Walmart, or at church, some place that was public. She was at home. And confronting a person you know well just as they happen to be leaving for work at 4am is gonna get you less sympathy than knocking on their door at 4am and saying you wanna talk about it. The former is creepy, the latter is at least somewhat adult-like.

 

Let me put it another way: Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that the older guy with the boat waited an hour outside of Jodi's apartment for her to come out when we all know he'd probably been to her apartment many times at all hours of the day and night over the years? Unless something absolutely catastrophic happened between them the night before when they watched that video (if indeed that happened) I can't see him waiting outside for an hour. No matter his intentions, at some point he's gonna say: Why the heck is she taking so long?

 

In fact, the "wait outside for an hour" scenario fits much more with someone who didn't know Jodi that well, if at all. Why? Because the person knew there was no way she'd open her apartment door. So, the only alternative is to wait in the van (once again, if the van had anything to do with it). The problem is by taking the temperature of the people on this website, the old guy with the boat is still considered to be the #1 suspect. And I think at some point something is gonna have to give: him as a suspect or the hour-long wait. In my opinion, it's either somebody who knew her well did it but without waiting an hour, or, a stranger did it by waiting an hour.

 

My scenario, which fits both the facts and tendencies of human behavior, says that someone who knew her well did it--because stats show most women are harmed by men who know them. In addition, there are enough oddities (the toilet seat) about that morning to show that someone besides Jodi was in that apartment that morning. Also meaning someone who knew her well did it because that's the only way someone could get into her apartment. That way we can totally discard all this talk about what kind of criminal would wait an hour. 

 

Tomahawk, I guess what I'm saying is if it was some kind of domestic that went bad, I believe it started inside her apartment, not out in the parking lot. And if it did start in the parking lot, it was done by someone who Jodi didn't know--like a stalker. 

 

 

 

  

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Florida, if you read the post I just made I guess it will give some additional insight into what I'm thinking. I appreciate you giving me the lowdown on Mason City since I've never been there. In fact, I've never been in Iowa. But coincidentally, I live in Florida.

 

The only response I have to what you brought up is that sitting in a van idling with the parking lights on, as one witness described, seems to be the worst of all choices in the scenario. How about shutting the van off? Turning the lights out? Parking in a regular parking space? It may be true that in Mason City the person in that van had nothing to fear at that hour. But why take any chances? The person has already stayed up all night or gotten out of bed early to do whatever he/she was going to do. Why blow it being careless with some things that can so easily be fixed in seconds?

Maybe you're read some of the other points I've made on here. I think what fits the scenario much better is that by the time that witness saw the van idling with its parking lights on, the abduction of Jodi was already in progress or completed--whether it was done by somebody who accompanied Jodi to her car or by someone who was waiting for her. In the case of a stranger, the driver saw Jodi come down, started his van, put his driving lights on, pulled up beside Jodi's car, jumped out and attacked her. In the case of somebody accompanying her, they go to her car, the person attacks her, drags her to his van, starts the van and turns on its lights because he can't see, arranges her body in the back while the van is idling, then takes off. He would be able to get away with dragging a body since, as you've said, no one is awake at that hour. Either way, dragging a body is quicker and less obvious at 4am than idling in a van with the lights on for an hour at 4am. 

 

  

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